The following discussion occurred on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM/14:00 SLT (PST) in Second Life at Library Art Gallery @ Info Islan, Info Island (17, 27, 34) (http://slurl.com/secondlife/Info%20Island/35/43/34). It is based on the article titled Starving Artists - Making Money from your Creativity (http://www.braincrave.com/viewblog.php?id=34). The Braincrave.com group on Second Life is free to join (http://world.secondlife.com/group/bcd74901-06b3-4760-07b3-18e07c160888). Please excuse the typos - it's a very common occurrence in Second Life. [2010/05/12 14:09] BrainCrave OHare: In support of artists everywhere, and gathered from speaking to a few experienced artists, we will discuss suggestions for financially benefiting from your creativity. FTA: "There are different forms of intelligence. Creativity and artistic abilities are excellent indicators of intelligence. But earning a living as an artist is difficult, especially given today’s economic issues worldwide (art is oftentimes considered a luxury item). It is also difficult for artists to get their work displayed in galleries and, if it is bought, the gallery takes a substantial portion of the purchase price." Starving Artists - Making Money from your Creativity: http://www.braincrave.com/viewblog.php?id=34 discuss. [2010/05/12 14:09] Carter Cobalt: hi everyone [2010/05/12 14:10] Leda Carter: *hello too [2010/05/12 14:10] ted Floresby: Welcome [2010/05/12 14:10] Leda Carter: oh ted, you are such a welcoming guy [2010/05/12 14:10] BrainCrave OHare: and, as always, lag is bad - please be patient with posts and use CTRL-up arrow if your posts are eaten [2010/05/12 14:10] BrainCrave OHare: if you'd like to join us, we are currently meeting at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Info%20Island/17/28/34 (though the discussion will be held in group chat - not local) [2010/05/12 14:10] BrainCrave OHare: a very special thank you to AmandaT Tamatzui for her help writing this article, facilitating this discussion, and providing such a lovely location for us to see her RL work while we chat. also a thank you goes out to fiona Bearsfoot who also contributed some of her experiences to this article. [2010/05/12 14:11] BrainCrave OHare: so, what did you all think of the article? [2010/05/12 14:11] Mathilde Vhargon: I have not had a chance to read it yet. : ( [2010/05/12 14:13] Galea Yates: hello [2010/05/12 14:13] BrainCrave OHare: ah, well please do right now. amanda had some great advice for artists [2010/05/12 14:13] BrainCrave OHare: welcome galea [2010/05/12 14:13] Galea Yates: ty :) [2010/05/12 14:14] Clarisse Bernheim: Acording to the article about the art, that’s true that if we try to find galleries that can look for a a similar kind of art as what we do we can have more possibilities to be selected to make an echibition, but in some places this is not so easy for artist who starts. In my case, I tried to find this kind of galleries that could be interested in my art, and the majority of them asked for a very different style, after the 2 galleries that I found with asimilar style to mine, they rejected my work because they told me that they ask for people who was older or who had a “name”. In this case, would really worth to look for galleries in another placer or even countries although transport the pieces will cost money?? [2010/05/12 14:14] Mathilde Vhargon: okay [2010/05/12 14:14] Mathilde Vhargon: okay [2010/05/12 14:15] Clarisse Bernheim: (eaten by lag) Acording to the article about the art, that’s true that if we try to find galleries that can look for a a similar kind of art as what we do we can have more possibilities to be selected to make an echibition, but in some places this is not so easy for artist who starts. In my case, I tried to find this kind of galleries that could be interested in my art, and the majority of them asked for a very different style, after the 2 galleries that I found with asimilar style to mine, they rejected my work because they told me that they ask for people who was older or who had a “name”. In this case, would really worth to look for galleries in another placer or even countries although transport the pieces will cost money?? [2010/05/12 14:15] BrainCrave OHare: clarisse is having problems posting the following: [2010/05/12 14:16] Clarisse Bernheim: Acording to the article about the art, that’s true that if we try to find galleries that can look for a a similar kind of art as what we do we can have more possibilities to be selected to make an echibition, but in some places this is not so easy for artist who starts. In my case, I tried to find this kind of galleries that could be interested in my art, and the majority of them asked for a very different style, after the 2 galleries that I found with asimilar style to mine, they rejected my work because they told me that they ask for people who was older or who had a “name”. In this case, would really worth to look for galleries in another placer or even countries although transport the pieces will cost money?? [2010/05/12 14:16] Clarisse Bernheim: Acording to the article about the art, that’s true that if we try to find galleries that can look for a a similar kind of art as what we do we can have more possibilities to be selected to make an echibition, but in some places this is not so easy for artist who starts. In my case, I tried to find this kind of galleries that could be interested in my art, and the majority of them asked for a very different style, after the 2 galleries that I found with asimilar style to mine, they rejected my work because they told me that they ask for people who was older or who had a “name”. In this case, would really worth to look for galleries in another placer or even countries although transport the pieces will cost money?? [2010/05/12 14:17] Clarisse Bernheim: thanks brain [2010/05/12 14:17] Clarisse Bernheim: For me the article has been very useful to have an idea of how could I start to look for possibilities, thanks so much [2010/05/12 14:18] BrainCrave OHare: [14:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: You might have been approaching the established galleries... Who only wants stablished artists established in that case. you do need to do a research on the galleries. check on the artists... who they are... are they long time artists? etc. [2010/05/12 14:19] Clarisse Bernheim: mmmmm well, they told me that there must be persons who already had a trayectory, not people so young. [2010/05/12 14:20] AmandaT Tamatzui: Hello everyone [2010/05/12 14:20] Mathilde Vhargon: Yes, I am not an artist in RL, only started doing art in SL [2010/05/12 14:20] AmandaT Tamatzui: WOW! It worked [2010/05/12 14:20] BrainCrave OHare: sigh - damn sl [2010/05/12 14:20] Carter Cobalt: hi there again [2010/05/12 14:20] AmandaT Tamatzui: Soooo.... [2010/05/12 14:20] AmandaT Tamatzui: Hi hi again [2010/05/12 14:21] Carter Cobalt: I made it ! [2010/05/12 14:21] AmandaT Tamatzui: let's all relax .. since it is just SL.. and let's find out ways to help each other.:) [2010/05/12 14:21] Ernst Maven: same for me I only do art in SL [2010/05/12 14:21] Mathilde Vhargon: : ) [2010/05/12 14:21] BrainCrave OHare: hello amanda. thanx again for helping with the article and facilitating here [2010/05/12 14:21] Sasun Steinbeck: Is this discussion more about making money from RL art, or SL art? [2010/05/12 14:21] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:21] AmandaT Tamatzui: No, Thank you Brain, for getting me here [2010/05/12 14:21] BrainCrave OHare: for those of you who only do art in SL, have you ever considered selling your art in RL? [2010/05/12 14:21] AmandaT Tamatzui: Both [2010/05/12 14:21] BrainCrave OHare: well, actually sasun, it would be both [2010/05/12 14:21] AmandaT Tamatzui: You can make some money both places.. we hope [2010/05/12 14:21] Clarisse Bernheim: so Amanda, you started moving in another places, so maybe I should try to find a place where tipically the kind of art that I do will be asked in more places, maybe. [2010/05/12 14:22] BrainCrave OHare: the goal is to help artists make money [2010/05/12 14:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: Yes Clarrisse... [2010/05/12 14:22] Carter Cobalt: Id like to find out how to just make it available [2010/05/12 14:22] Mathilde Vhargon: Well, my friend and gallery co-owner is a RL artist, and cannot be here, so I am going to share this with him, also [2010/05/12 14:22] BrainCrave OHare: (for those of you who are at the gallery, please do take a moment to look around at amanda's art too when you get a chance) [2010/05/12 14:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: YOu see.. if the galleries around you mainly deal with established artists.... [2010/05/12 14:22] Clarisse Bernheim: m so Amanda, you started moving in another places, so maybe I should try to find a place where tipically the kind of art that I do will be asked in more places, maybe. at the begining can be difficult but in a long time can helps [2010/05/12 14:22] BrainCrave OHare: mathilde, has your friend ever given you any tips that you can share? [2010/05/12 14:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: Then you need to scout around to seeone that has event or holds openings for emerging artists.. [2010/05/12 14:24] Clarisse Bernheim: (eaten by lag) so Amanda, you started moving in another places, so maybe I should try to find a place where the kind of art that I do will be asked in more places, maybe. at the begining can be difficult but in a long time can helps [2010/05/12 14:24] Mathilde Vhargon: no... He has been doing art as an amateur, and I don't think he has seriously tried to sell it in the past, although it is excellent. I think this is changing for him, as his life circumstances are different now. [2010/05/12 14:24] AmandaT Tamatzui: By the way I will be taking some pics of us here as well [2010/05/12 14:24] Clarisse Bernheim: ops [2010/05/12 14:24] Mathilde Vhargon: Also, he and I are interested in doing all we can in SL [2010/05/12 14:25] BrainCrave OHare: so if your friend owns a gallery mathilde, how does he evaluate art brought in by new artists? do you happen to know? [2010/05/12 14:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: I am wodnering how to adress various questions [2010/05/12 14:25] Mathilde Vhargon: Oh, no [2010/05/12 14:25] Mathilde Vhargon: He and I just opened a SL gallery [2010/05/12 14:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: ahhh I see.... [2010/05/12 14:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:25] Mathilde Vhargon: which at the moment we are only exhibiting our own work [2010/05/12 14:25] Sasun Steinbeck: I think if you have a goal for making money from art in SL you're going to be on a rather long road to frustration. You need to do it for the love of it... to share your art and join the art community here, and in time the money may come [2010/05/12 14:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: and you are showcasing your own work? [2010/05/12 14:25] Mathilde Vhargon: Sorry if I gave the wrong impression [2010/05/12 14:25] BrainCrave OHare: is there anyone else here who has successfully sold art either in RL or SL? [2010/05/12 14:26] AmandaT Tamatzui: excellent! [2010/05/12 14:26] Mathilde Vhargon: Well, it is not my intention to make lots of money [2010/05/12 14:26] AmandaT Tamatzui: I have sold art both in Rl and SL... [2010/05/12 14:26] BrainCrave OHare: have you tried to sell art sasun but been frustrated by it in SL? [2010/05/12 14:27] Mathilde Vhargon: But it would be nice if the gallery could earn a bit to help pay the tier [2010/05/12 14:27] Sasun Steinbeck: There are a lot of galleries in SL selling art so the "competition" can be seen as high, so if you are doing it to share your art, because it's fun, you're going to be much more satisfied :) [2010/05/12 14:28] AmandaT Tamatzui: I can tell you my story if it helps..? [2010/05/12 14:28] Mathilde Vhargon: and I would like to learn more [2010/05/12 14:28] Clarisse Bernheim: After the difficulties I’m having to show my art, I ask myself: Is really more important the contscts that you have that the art that you do to being accepted or recognized by the institution art when you are too young? Because I think that if nobody knows you (like in my case) is very difficult that the galleries keep confidence on your work. [2010/05/12 14:28] AmandaT Tamatzui: Everyone will have a different experience.. what works for some may not work for others.. [2010/05/12 14:28] Sasun Steinbeck: sorry, chat lag galore! [2010/05/12 14:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: all helps. [2010/05/12 14:29] BrainCrave OHare: so how do commissions work for art galleries in SL? [2010/05/12 14:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: Clarrisse... [2010/05/12 14:29] Clarisse Bernheim: (eaten by lag) After the difficulties I’m having to show my art, I ask myself: Is really more important the contscts that you have that the art that you do to being accepted or recognized by the institution art when you are too young? Because I think that if nobody knows you (like in my case) is very difficult that the galleries keep confidence on your work. [2010/05/12 14:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: becasue you never know! [2010/05/12 14:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: yoour contacts... your netwokring.. [2010/05/12 14:29] Sasun Steinbeck: sorry, chat lag galore! [2010/05/12 14:29] BrainCrave OHare: would love to hear it amanda [2010/05/12 14:29] Ernst Maven: I've sold some of my art here in SL when I sent up my own gallery and then I was discovered by a gallery manager who happened to visit my gallery. She organized my first official SL exhibition at the Mysts of Forzane. [2010/05/12 14:29] Sasun Steinbeck: sorry, chat lag galore! [2010/05/12 14:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: Do we talk abt RL first or SL? [2010/05/12 14:30] BrainCrave OHare: either one amanda [2010/05/12 14:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: Never prejudge who will buy and who wont.. [2010/05/12 14:30] BrainCrave OHare: eaten by lag: have you tried to sell art sasun but been frustrated by it in SL? [2010/05/12 14:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: Okay just so wont confuse anyone [2010/05/12 14:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: Wonderful Ernst! [2010/05/12 14:30] Carter Cobalt: Ive sold in RL but not a lot, not looking for Ls here [2010/05/12 14:30] BrainCrave OHare: eaten by lag: so how do commissions work for art galleries in SL? [2010/05/12 14:31] Sasun Steinbeck: one thing I have learned is that a particular gallery may sort of get "tapped out" and it's good to just keep moving your exhibit to new places to get more exposure to new people in SL [2010/05/12 14:31] Sasun Steinbeck: one thing I have learned is that a particular gallery may sort of get "tapped out" and it's good to just keep moving your exhibit to new places to get more exposure to new people in SL [2010/05/12 14:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: galleires [2010/05/12 14:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: 30% [2010/05/12 14:31] Ernst Maven: set* [2010/05/12 14:31] BrainCrave OHare: what do you mean by "tapped out" sasun? [2010/05/12 14:31] Clarisse Bernheim: mmm interesting [2010/05/12 14:32] Ernst Maven: I think I've been very lucky here to have been discovered so easily. [2010/05/12 14:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: You have! [2010/05/12 14:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: Galleries rents place and do the work of sending out infos [2010/05/12 14:32] Ernst Maven: LOL [2010/05/12 14:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: I just Offered tp to cai, curator of criss Art Museum [2010/05/12 14:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: and 70% artist [2010/05/12 14:32] Sasun Steinbeck: I think a particular gallery may tend to get a certain set of visitors and after a while sales seem to fizzle out. Moving to a new spot can capture a whole new set of customers that may be repeat customers to that particular spot. So it seems like whenever I move rental locations, sales pick up right away [2010/05/12 14:33] Mathilde Vhargon: That is a good tip, Sasun [2010/05/12 14:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: Sasun, in SL? [2010/05/12 14:33] Sasun Steinbeck: yes sorry, my only experience is SL [2010/05/12 14:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: There is a good art spot in SL [2010/05/12 14:33] BrainCrave OHare: getting back to clarisse's earlier question, don't you think it's almost as important to making contacts with people as having good art? [2010/05/12 14:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: Avalun district [2010/05/12 14:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: heard of it? [2010/05/12 14:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: Clarisse.. [2010/05/12 14:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: it is important [2010/05/12 14:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: network [2010/05/12 14:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: network on various platforms [2010/05/12 14:34] Sasun Steinbeck: yes I have a spot there, places like Avalon that attract a lot of traffic and do a good job organizing events are great places to rent [2010/05/12 14:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: liek xing.com, [2010/05/12 14:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: I sold art through getting to know people.. being friends [2010/05/12 14:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: but we need to be active! [2010/05/12 14:34] Mathilde Vhargon: I have heard that there are some places where you can either show or sell your art free. Do you think this is of any value for the artist wanting to put a LM giver to another exhibit area, for example? [2010/05/12 14:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: invest in memberships to art orgs if you have to [2010/05/12 14:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: ryze.com [2010/05/12 14:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: artcad.com [2010/05/12 14:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: is a free siote for shwoing your art [2010/05/12 14:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: as is saatchi-ukgallery [2010/05/12 14:35] Sasun Steinbeck: I know quite a few cases of an SL exhibition resulting in an RL sale. It's a great idea to make glicee prints available in RL and make information available via a notecard giver at your exhibits how someone can order a print. You might be pleasantly surprised with a few orders! All directly as a result of an SL show [2010/05/12 14:36] Ernst Maven: Contacts and patronage are essential if one wants to be known in the SL art world, I believe. [2010/05/12 14:36] BrainCrave OHare: mathailde, can you give some examples please of places where you can show/sell your art for free? [2010/05/12 14:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: Clarisse... [2010/05/12 14:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: get networking online as well... [2010/05/12 14:36] Mathilde Vhargon: I don't know, I have only read that there are some... I have not yet found them. [2010/05/12 14:36] Clarisse Bernheim: very truth [2010/05/12 14:36] BrainCrave OHare: ryze.com is for business networking, correct amanda? not for artists per se? [2010/05/12 14:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: and then a national one [2010/05/12 14:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: but I pasted my art works on there [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: and sold to Greece, US.. [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: joining local art gorup is best... [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: So it works [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: as our clients [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: are everyday people too [2010/05/12 14:37] Mathilde Vhargon: But I came to SL for other reasons, and have a network here of friends. I think this helps [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: some buyers do not know to go to art sites [2010/05/12 14:37] BrainCrave OHare: it looks like http://www.artcad.com/ is in french [2010/05/12 14:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: we miss out on the everyday people.. if we stick to art sites [2010/05/12 14:38] Sasun Steinbeck: SL is a great place to meet other artists from all over the world, get inspired, try some new things, experiment. Most SL artists are RL artists as well and have lots of good experience to share [2010/05/12 14:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: Yes [2010/05/12 14:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: artcad [2010/05/12 14:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: is a good place [2010/05/12 14:38] Clarisse Bernheim: wooow this is so goodç [2010/05/12 14:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: can be a professional way to show case your art if you can't elsewhere [2010/05/12 14:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: hI cai! [2010/05/12 14:38] BrainCrave OHare: sasun, that's a great point - you should be making notecards that go along with your art so people can buy it in RL [2010/05/12 14:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: Pls offer cai membership [2010/05/12 14:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: he is invaluable in SL [2010/05/12 14:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: but he crashed [2010/05/12 14:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:39] Clarisse Bernheim: yees this is a great idea [2010/05/12 14:39] Sasun Steinbeck: Yes, great idea, put them right into your prims that you sell [2010/05/12 14:40] Clarisse Bernheim: with the details of the SL sale and the RL sale as well [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: I just sold a piece of RL art through this SL exhibition! [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: And a man form Paris [2010/05/12 14:40] BrainCrave OHare: ernst, so you're point is a good one - make lots of friends in SL and then try to sell them your art, right? [2010/05/12 14:40] Sasun Steinbeck: awesome! Congrats :) [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: wants to \look into brining my art into RL {PAris. [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: so people [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: Sl is a powerful tool [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: TY [2010/05/12 14:40] Sasun Steinbeck: absolutely, it's a great way to get exposed to a big audience [2010/05/12 14:40] Carter Cobalt: yes it is! [2010/05/12 14:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: I am looking to get a gallery [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: here in SL... [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: maybe a section to help some of you? [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: WOuld love to see C;larrise;s [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: sell it via SL.. [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: don;t be disheartened [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: to the Real world [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: We are in tech age [2010/05/12 14:41] Clarisse Bernheim: Then “ryze.com” works for art as well?? [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes [2010/05/12 14:42] Carter Cobalt: Id love to ask many questions, im just starting [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: I know artists who have sold [2010/05/12 14:42] Sasun Steinbeck: You might consider joining the Art & Artist Network, there are frequent notices for gallery rental space posted there, as well as lots of events to attend for networking [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: but [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: I am no longer active there [2010/05/12 14:42] Ernst Maven: Ina Karura, a Spanish lady is, the owner of Museo Karura, is a very nice gallery manager here in SL who is always willing to help out fellow artists... [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: if you are in New zealand there is thebigidea.com [2010/05/12 14:42] Carter Cobalt: pitty [2010/05/12 14:42] Clarisse Bernheim: woow amanda this is great [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: Clarisse [2010/05/12 14:42] BrainCrave OHare: amanda, it's very inspiring to hear that you had art in SL that led to a sale in RL and then an exhibit in paris - shows the power, but it also requires constant effort to network and show art in SL i'm sure [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: get in touch with the SPanish lady here [2010/05/12 14:42] Sasun Steinbeck: Some gallery owners give out free space [2010/05/12 14:42] Carter Cobalt: Im in canada [2010/05/12 14:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: netowrk [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: she may have contacts iN RL? [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: is the answer [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: Oh yes [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: and I am glad to say [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: a store owner [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: saw my work here [2010/05/12 14:43] BrainCrave OHare: amanda, it would be wonderful if you do get a gallery and if you had room could display art from some braincrave.com members [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: and booked me into another Sl show iN June [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:43] Mathilde Vhargon: I am sorry, i crashed. Would it be possible to get a copy of the chat log I missed after we finish? [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: o\h yes [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: I would love to help out [2010/05/12 14:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: but we must be willing to promote it too [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: and I want to say... [2010/05/12 14:44] Clarisse Bernheim: sounds great [2010/05/12 14:44] BrainCrave OHare: to reiterate sasun's point, make sure to check out the Art & Artist Network group in SL if you are interested in selling art [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: soem people think anything is art if someone does it... [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: but I would suggest [2010/05/12 14:44] Sasun Steinbeck: That's an interesting idea. I'm part of another group call the Art Lovers Ring. Great way to promote your SL gallery, by the way. They did a group show just recently and it was very popular [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: we try to keep making our art better [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 14:44] BrainCrave OHare: thanx for the referral ernst [2010/05/12 14:44] Sasun Steinbeck: A braincrave.com group show would be great [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: art ring [2010/05/12 14:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: awesome [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes1 [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:45] Ernst Maven: and so is Alanah Wildcat, the gallery manager of Angel Cmpesno d'art, another very nice person [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: of contacts here [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: might be good to get a list down... [2010/05/12 14:45] BrainCrave OHare: yet mathilde, i'll post the log to the article later tonight or tomorrow [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: just by being a part of this gorup [2010/05/12 14:45] Ernst Maven: Compenso* [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: we are networking already [2010/05/12 14:45] Mathilde Vhargon: Thank you, Brain [2010/05/12 14:45] BrainCrave OHare: amanda, thank you so much! [2010/05/12 14:45] Carter Cobalt: thanks [2010/05/12 14:45] AmandaT Tamatzui: I know of artists who paitned for 25 years and never sold a single piece [2010/05/12 14:46] AmandaT Tamatzui: because they did not netwpork [2010/05/12 14:46] AmandaT Tamatzui: YW brain [2010/05/12 14:46] BrainCrave OHare: sasun, do these art galleries in SL advertise through SL magazines? is that how they get people there? [2010/05/12 14:46] Clarisse Bernheim: Oh thanks Sasun [2010/05/12 14:46] Mathilde Vhargon: Well, it seems that if we don't have marketing and networking skills, then we need to get help and advice from others. [2010/05/12 14:46] Sasun Steinbeck: most advertising is via friends networks, their own groups, the Art & Artist Network, and other big groups like Open This End [2010/05/12 14:46] BrainCrave OHare: <-- all for a braincrave.com group show. sadly, i tried to get one going in my first few months in SL but wasn't able to. if anyone wants to take the lead on doing something like that, do contact me [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: I used to dream of being discovered [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: now I knwo I have to market myself [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:47] Sasun Steinbeck: also, getting on my gallery list at http://sasun.info/ArtGalleriesofSL.aspx helps bring traffic in as well [2010/05/12 14:47] Ernst Maven: and then FILTHY FLUNO, an awesome RL artist, owns a whole sim dedicated to the encouragement of art [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: You did, Brain? [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: ah yes [2010/05/12 14:47] Sasun Steinbeck: yes ideally someone that's run a group show before, it's not as easy as you might think :) [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: heard of Filthy [2010/05/12 14:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:47] Clarisse Bernheim: very truth Amanda [2010/05/12 14:47] Ernst Maven: he's a very funny guy too LOL [2010/05/12 14:48] BrainCrave OHare: amanda, to your point about networking, that was one of the points in the article: it's not enough for you to just be a great artist. you almost need to treat this like a business [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: I want to know him! [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes true [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: being a busienss person is hard for an artist [2010/05/12 14:48] Sasun Steinbeck: yes there are quite a few fantastic Art sims on the grid to explore. Just wonderful places. Artropolis is one of the best, if you haven't been there, go [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: in a review of me in NZARTmonthly [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: I was refered to as a busiensswoman [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: I fetl embarrssed [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: as if I was not an artist [2010/05/12 14:48] AmandaT Tamatzui: but then the reviewer [2010/05/12 14:49] AmandaT Tamatzui: wen to work wioth BBC London [2010/05/12 14:49] Sasun Steinbeck: So true AmandaT, business and art is like oil and water for most artists :) [2010/05/12 14:49] AmandaT Tamatzui: and Asked to buy two pieces of my art later [2010/05/12 14:49] BrainCrave OHare: mathilde, it's a great point you make. many people (not just artists) find it hard to network and market themselves as they weren't trained in it. perhaps it makes sense to take some courses or do some studying online into how to better network and market yourself, even (and especially) if it's not related to art [2010/05/12 14:49] Mathilde Vhargon: In RL, I used to be a musician. It is the same for composers of Fine Art music. Not enough time to create and also market and network, but that is what it takes. [2010/05/12 14:49] AmandaT Tamatzui: and confesssed to me he has been eyeong my art work but could not affors it before [2010/05/12 14:49] Ernst Maven: and LUCK too LOL [2010/05/12 14:50] BrainCrave OHare: i did amanda. sadly, the person who was building it all ran into some personal problems and so i was never able to get it off the ground [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: awwwww. [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: \sad [2010/05/12 14:50] Sasun Steinbeck: Yes I think that would be so helpful. Art Marketing for Dummies. LOL [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: Maybe with this group of enthusiast Brain? [2010/05/12 14:50] Clarisse Bernheim: yes lol [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: is there one/ [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:50] Mathilde Vhargon: Well, I am guessing (though have yet to test it out) that we can also take a look at what other SL businesses are doing to keep people interested in their creations and coming back on a regular basis. [2010/05/12 14:50] BrainCrave OHare: yes sasun. i was completely unfamiliar with how to run a group show, which is why i was looking for help. sadly, the group was very small at the time and so i didn't have many resources to pull from [2010/05/12 14:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: I know a successful artists [2010/05/12 14:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: who mails out stuff [2010/05/12 14:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: and sells well [2010/05/12 14:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: has her own gallery too [2010/05/12 14:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: I think [2010/05/12 14:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: misixng art with gowns will be good [2010/05/12 14:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: I am wearing a thera Taurog [2010/05/12 14:52] AmandaT Tamatzui: she designs her dresses on a piece of art [2010/05/12 14:52] Mathilde Vhargon: : ) [2010/05/12 14:52] Sasun Steinbeck: Brain maybe someone from the group that's done an exhibit in the past can volunteer to set one up. your first one can be a rough learning experience :) [2010/05/12 14:52] AmandaT Tamatzui: You must go take a look and be inspired [2010/05/12 14:52] Mathilde Vhargon: Yes, Fuscia does the same [2010/05/12 14:52] Mathilde Vhargon: It is beautiful [2010/05/12 14:52] BrainCrave OHare: i'm curious - do they teach any business classes when you go to art school? maybe that's a recommendation for people who are still in school - take some business classes as well to learn how to network and market [2010/05/12 14:52] Mathilde Vhargon: and even is giving a class for artists on how to do that [2010/05/12 14:52] AmandaT Tamatzui: we can go on a art journey together [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: she does? [2010/05/12 14:53] BrainCrave OHare: i'm open to anyone who wants to do it sasun :) [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: someday [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: I want to attend [2010/05/12 14:53] Clarisse Bernheim: Yes, it’s very complicated to find enought time to develope a consistent artwork when you have to keep lot of time trying to network and sell your art too, and do that well. I find this really difficult.... [2010/05/12 14:53] Mathilde Vhargon: I believe she is giving the class at Shamen Gallery [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: teach you how to write contracts etc [2010/05/12 14:53] Carter Cobalt: Im in [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: But I di dnot learn it as I was busy painting. [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes they do [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: I did a year long distace class. [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: I stil passed [2010/05/12 14:53] Mathilde Vhargon: yes [2010/05/12 14:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: Mathilde [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: would be good if you can write a notecard for us [2010/05/12 14:54] Carter Cobalt: Im self taught.not great at all [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: pls? [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: Carter... [2010/05/12 14:54] BrainCrave OHare: clarisse, anything worth anything takes hard work. being an artists and just doing hard work creating art isn't enough, just as it wouldn't be with any other product or service that you provide [2010/05/12 14:54] Sasun Steinbeck: Mathilde, I'd love to find out more about those classes [2010/05/12 14:54] BrainCrave OHare: what class mathilde? [2010/05/12 14:54] Mathilde Vhargon: Contact Rune Shamen [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: as a self taight artists I sold more than 35 pieces of art... [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: when I said I will go take lessons [2010/05/12 14:54] Clarisse Bernheim: yes, of course Brain [2010/05/12 14:54] Mathilde Vhargon: I got the notice through their Subscribe-o-matic group [2010/05/12 14:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: my clients were worried [2010/05/12 14:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: I will become one of those who paint the same [2010/05/12 14:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: sorry bad typing [2010/05/12 14:55] BrainCrave OHare: mathilde, do you have a link or a notecard that you can give to me so that i can distribute to the group? [2010/05/12 14:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: Cobalt [2010/05/12 14:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: I would love to see your art [2010/05/12 14:55] Mathilde Vhargon: I will look. [2010/05/12 14:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: and maybe critic a bit if you want/ [2010/05/12 14:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:55] Carter Cobalt: Id love to share it [2010/05/12 14:55] Mathilde Vhargon: But you can find Shamen Gallery in SL search [2010/05/12 14:56] Carter Cobalt: only have to learn how [2010/05/12 14:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: my email address.... is it safe to post it here/ [2010/05/12 14:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 14:56] Sasun Steinbeck: ok thanks! [2010/05/12 14:56] BrainCrave OHare: as a plug for clarisse, she has amazing art posted on braincrave.com: http://www.braincrave.com/viewblog.php?id=26 [2010/05/12 14:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: and get a website of your art if possible people [2010/05/12 14:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: well done Clarisse [2010/05/12 14:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 14:56] Clarisse Bernheim: ohh thanks so much brain :) [2010/05/12 14:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: use the free oens till you can own your own [2010/05/12 14:56] BrainCrave OHare: (bows) [2010/05/12 14:56] Carter Cobalt: thank you [2010/05/12 14:57] Clarisse Bernheim: (eaten by lag) thanks so much brain :) [2010/05/12 14:57] AmandaT Tamatzui: my web site is.. www.amandatomasoa.com and my mail address is amanda@amandatomasoa.com [2010/05/12 14:57] Sasun Steinbeck: I need to run to my 3:00 thanks for the great discussion :) [2010/05/12 14:57] AmandaT Tamatzui: so if you want to post your works to me [2010/05/12 14:57] AmandaT Tamatzui: welcome [2010/05/12 14:57] AmandaT Tamatzui: not that I am such an expert [2010/05/12 14:57] AmandaT Tamatzui: but if I can help in anyway [2010/05/12 14:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: if I can I will do a wep[age'with your art [2010/05/12 14:58] Ernst Maven: cool thanks Amanda [2010/05/12 14:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: to help a bit [2010/05/12 14:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: so when my visitors visit my site [2010/05/12 14:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: they can see your art too [2010/05/12 14:58] BrainCrave OHare: did anyone who read the article have any personal experiences with some of the ideas presented? i'd be curious who has tried them and if you've had successes or failures [2010/05/12 14:58] BrainCrave OHare: bye sasun, and thanx! [2010/05/12 14:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: I mave fdo a page for other artists art and contact... [2010/05/12 14:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: on my site [2010/05/12 14:58] BrainCrave OHare: thanx amanda for offering the webpage. there are also links in the article for services that will do webpages for you for free [2010/05/12 14:59] AmandaT Tamatzui: and any hope of you getting free advertising on TV?radio? [2010/05/12 14:59] Clarisse Bernheim: ohh thanks Amanda, I've visited your website, and I love your work, the colours how you use them, it's great [2010/05/12 14:59] Mathilde Vhargon: Well, my art is mainly sculpture in SL. I find that a lot of galleries here are set up for flat wall pieces only; and it certainly doesn't show up well in photos, as it is 3D and often scripted to move, etc. [2010/05/12 14:59] BrainCrave OHare: if you haven't gone to amanda's site, i highly recommend it [2010/05/12 14:59] AmandaT Tamatzui: if you can hook up to an artists 's site with visitors it helps [2010/05/12 14:59] AmandaT Tamatzui: Isome people say web sites do not help sell [2010/05/12 14:59] AmandaT Tamatzui: but I have sold thorugh my web site [2010/05/12 14:59] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: I got free advert on the livign channel too [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: for paid tv [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: and sold art there [2010/05/12 15:00] Ernst Maven: good idea!!! [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: not much [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: but 2 -3 was good enough [2010/05/12 15:00] BrainCrave OHare: mathilde, are you saying that galleries typically don't do sculptures? because i know i've been in a few where they've had them [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: I have been on radio, tv etc etc [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: network [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: people [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: I get shy too [2010/05/12 15:00] AmandaT Tamatzui: but it is a must for us to do [2010/05/12 15:00] Carter Cobalt: me too [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: There are manuy International exhibitions n too now... [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: but be careful of scammers [2010/05/12 15:01] Mathilde Vhargon: No... I'm saying that many of the low rental spaces for artists in SL are set up basically to show wall art that is flat. [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: I have been targets [2010/05/12 15:01] Carter Cobalt: in SL? [2010/05/12 15:01] Clarisse Bernheim: (eaten by lag) I’ve visited you website Amanda and I love how you take the colour on your art work, it’s great. [2010/05/12 15:01] Mathilde Vhargon: My pieces are rather large, most of them. [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: RL [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: Ty Clarisse [2010/05/12 15:01] Mathilde Vhargon: So, it is nice for me to have my own place to show them well. [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: I would love to see your work Mathilde [2010/05/12 15:01] AmandaT Tamatzui: exciting [2010/05/12 15:02] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:02] Clarisse Bernheim: yes, ive gone and I have seen as well [2010/05/12 15:02] BrainCrave OHare: this was one of the key learning points for me as i worked with amanda to create the article - the business skills are very important so, though you might not like the idea of being a business person, if you want to make money from your art, you really have to be [2010/05/12 15:02] Mathilde Vhargon: I have done a few photo nudes, which turned out well. [2010/05/12 15:02] Mathilde Vhargon: Thank you very much, Amanda [2010/05/12 15:02] Mathilde Vhargon: I would love to have any of you come and see my work [2010/05/12 15:02] BrainCrave OHare: what do you mean be care of scammers amanda? what do scammers do in art? [2010/05/12 15:02] Mathilde Vhargon: Our gallery is in my profile picks. [2010/05/12 15:03] Mathilde Vhargon: I will definitely check all of your profile picks and take a look at the work of everyone here. [2010/05/12 15:03] Ernst Maven: sorry I have to go now, the discussion was very interesting and enlightening, thanks [2010/05/12 15:03] AmandaT Tamatzui: for example [2010/05/12 15:03] AmandaT Tamatzui: the scammers\ [2010/05/12 15:03] AmandaT Tamatzui: know how vulnerable the artists are.... [2010/05/12 15:03] Carter Cobalt: goodbye [2010/05/12 15:03] AmandaT Tamatzui: so they will invite you to be part of fake exhibitions.. boook awards etc [2010/05/12 15:03] Ernst Maven: goodbye [2010/05/12 15:03] AmandaT Tamatzui: and I have been emailed [2010/05/12 15:04] BrainCrave OHare: bye ernst [2010/05/12 15:04] BrainCrave OHare: mathilde, would you post the name of your gallery here please? [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: to have two pieces of my art bought [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: form guy form Nigeria on way to Britan etc] [2010/05/12 15:04] Mathilde Vhargon: Of course. Thank you. [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: they even sent me American express cheques [2010/05/12 15:04] BrainCrave OHare: WOW amanda [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: I was excited [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: but I was smart [2010/05/12 15:04] Mathilde Vhargon: Two Shores Gallery. We are in the SL galleries listing that Sasun has set up, also [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: I went to the bank [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: to cash it up first [2010/05/12 15:04] Mathilde Vhargon: Goodbye, Ernst [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: they bank saw it' [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: felt suspicious [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: and voila they were fake cheques [2010/05/12 15:04] AmandaT Tamatzui: so i was safe [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: their modus operandi is [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: pay you extra [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: then ask for refund later iN reaL CASH [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: i AM NOT STUPID [2010/05/12 15:05] Mathilde Vhargon: Right now we are only exhibiting my work and Duke Sahara's. We hope soon to have a guest artist exhibit area added. [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: we must not be stupid [2010/05/12 15:05] Clarisse Bernheim: wow Amanda, and how did you know that? How can we deifference a fake exhibition? O.o [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: never send art till you get paid for sure [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:05] BrainCrave OHare: that's great advice amanda [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: Okay [2010/05/12 15:05] AmandaT Tamatzui: sicne I have my web site [2010/05/12 15:06] Clarisse Bernheim: ohh [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: and becasue I am getting known among international people... [2010/05/12 15:06] Clarisse Bernheim: I understand [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: I get emails form all over the world [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: inviting me to be part of their fairs... [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: important book awards [2010/05/12 15:06] Mathilde Vhargon: Yes, that is good advice for the sale of anything. Make sure the money is cleared and available before you deliver the goods. [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: tellign me I have been awarded this and that [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: I check [2010/05/12 15:06] Mathilde Vhargon: I wonder if people who sell art on Ebay do well. I have seen a lot there. [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: by googling [2010/05/12 15:06] AmandaT Tamatzui: and see how much stuff there is of them in RL [2010/05/12 15:07] AmandaT Tamatzui: if there is no track record [2010/05/12 15:07] AmandaT Tamatzui: probably a scam [2010/05/12 15:07] Carter Cobalt: I will deal with these problems if they arise [2010/05/12 15:07] BrainCrave OHare: that's another great point mathilde, as ebay has a bunch of protections for sellers. has anyone ever sold any art on ebay? i know i've sold other items on ebay with great success [2010/05/12 15:07] Carter Cobalt: Now Im just happy being here with you all. [2010/05/12 15:08] BrainCrave OHare: what a story amanda [2010/05/12 15:08] AmandaT Tamatzui: Clarisse.. there is an Italian Biennial fair [2010/05/12 15:08] AmandaT Tamatzui: you might want to see if you can get in [2010/05/12 15:08] Clarisse Bernheim: And at the time to make a price for the art, would be better to have a minimal standard based on the prices of the art that we can see outside –that are high in the most cases- ? Or simply choose to do it b hours/effort, for example? Would worth better to start? [2010/05/12 15:08] AmandaT Tamatzui: I was invited... [2010/05/12 15:08] AmandaT Tamatzui: they do have strich panel of judges [2010/05/12 15:08] AmandaT Tamatzui: but if you can go good [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: as an emerging artist [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: it is hard to base on hours [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: pricing is hard.. [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: but we do have to do research again [2010/05/12 15:09] Clarisse Bernheim: (Eaten by lag) And at the time to make a price for the art, would be better to have a minimal standard based on the prices of the art that we can see outside –that are high in the most cases- ? Or simply choose to do it b hours/effort, for example? Would worth better to start? [2010/05/12 15:09] BrainCrave OHare: do you have the name of the italian fair amanda? [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: :)see what similar emerging artists's works sells for [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes.. [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: let me think [2010/05/12 15:09] Carter Cobalt: labours in art can never be priced in hours [2010/05/12 15:09] AmandaT Tamatzui: Florence Biennial... [2010/05/12 15:10] Clarisse Bernheim: Great idea about Ebay! [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: I will have to check my notes in other computer [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: There is another one but very high calibre [2010/05/12 15:10] BrainCrave OHare: here are a bunch of art fairs in italy: http://karaart.com/art.fairs/italy.html [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: only established veterans seem toget to go [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: type in biennial [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: not sure how to spell it [2010/05/12 15:10] Mathilde Vhargon: When I was setting up a new flat and had very little money, I checked ebay for possible art pieces to decorate. [2010/05/12 15:10] AmandaT Tamatzui: I wish my laptop work as good as yours Brain [2010/05/12 15:11] BrainCrave OHare: :) amanda [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: if I am on Sl I can hardly go anywhere else [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:11] Mathilde Vhargon: I found some artists selling there. [2010/05/12 15:11] Clarisse Bernheim: mmm abotu the Bienal, will you go?? [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: ebay? [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: Clarisse.. [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: I got news form ymCanadian artist firend [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: part of my xing,com network [2010/05/12 15:11] Clarisse Bernheim: ohh that's great!! [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: Mona Yousseff [2010/05/12 15:11] BrainCrave OHare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Biennale [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: I was invited to join SL to be an art curator [2010/05/12 15:11] AmandaT Tamatzui: in fact [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: she is a well known artists too [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: and I was going to rope in MOna as well [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: But the costs to be part of second Interest was at least USD$ 5000 for an exhibition\ [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: so I bailed out [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:12] BrainCrave OHare: what kinds of opportunities does being an art curator on SL give you to sell your art amanda? [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: well [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: when you help others [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: you get exposure too maybe [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: credibility? [2010/05/12 15:12] AmandaT Tamatzui: part of networking [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: Like I volunterred \ [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: for James wallace Art trust [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: in NZ [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: well knowns trust [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: good for resume [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: google it [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: we do have international art events iN ZN [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:13] Mathilde Vhargon: I would guess that it helps to get to know people and let them see you are a person of integrity and that you are serious about art, doing your best work, learning, etc. [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: I will org it is people can afford to come [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes [2010/05/12 15:13] Mathilde Vhargon: I feel that is my strongest quality, as an amateur only doing art in SL [2010/05/12 15:13] AmandaT Tamatzui: and soem peoplel will invest in your art if they know [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: youintend to take it places [2010/05/12 15:14] BrainCrave OHare: Mona Youssef: http://www.mona-gallery.com/ [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: Thanks Brain [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: you are excellent [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: I am impressed [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: you see'other non art specialist [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: sites brings you to meet art related people [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: withn those sites [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:14] AmandaT Tamatzui: there are art groups [2010/05/12 15:14] Mathilde Vhargon: I should add, re: Two Shores Gallery, that we are listed in Search. Sorry i don't have a slurl to post here. [2010/05/12 15:15] BrainCrave OHare: Wallace Arts Trust: http://www.wallaceartstrust.org.nz/ [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: to those of oyu with links [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: Thanks [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: kisses [2010/05/12 15:15] Mathilde Vhargon: Or you can find me on Facebook under my name. I have link there [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: His trust will be buying a land near my h osue [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: whoppeee [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: but hey [2010/05/12 15:15] BrainCrave OHare: what an art curator does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curator [2010/05/12 15:15] Mathilde Vhargon: This is going to be good to check out all these links. [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: I am hopingmy hosue will go up in pripce.. Iiwll sell it off and be a hermit artist once again! [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: hosting braincrav exhibitions1 [2010/05/12 15:15] AmandaT Tamatzui: hahahahaha [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: and [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: I sold art via facebook! [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: So [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: get yourself active there if you can [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: I don;t do facebook mush [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: sicne Sl [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: caused a stirr [2010/05/12 15:16] BrainCrave OHare: Two Shores Gallery: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Comfortably%20Numb/75/154/22 [2010/05/12 15:16] Mathilde Vhargon: There are a lot of SL avatars listed in Facebook, also [2010/05/12 15:16] Mathilde Vhargon: a whole community of SL facebook people [2010/05/12 15:16] AmandaT Tamatzui: hmm my sentences are not coming out in proper order [2010/05/12 15:17] BrainCrave OHare: how do you sell art via facebook??? [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: well [2010/05/12 15:17] Mathilde Vhargon: So you can advertise and put out notices to people on your friends list there. [2010/05/12 15:17] Carter Cobalt: I ther ,in face book [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: One guy form Austria [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: living iN Indonesia [2010/05/12 15:17] Mathilde Vhargon: and post slurls on your page. [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: was aprt of my ving.com group [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: I used tp post in there and crack the people up [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: They loved me as I was a joker [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: didn;t try to sell art at all [2010/05/12 15:17] Carter Cobalt: Im there in facebook* [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: but he knew me [2010/05/12 15:17] AmandaT Tamatzui: trusted in me [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: and asked me if i sold my art [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: I said [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: are you kididng? [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: I do [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: so he took a look [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: fell in love with my art and trusted me [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: and paid me good money fo r it [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: we need to be approachable people [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: gone are the days [2010/05/12 15:18] Mathilde Vhargon: That's a great story, Amanda, and I'm not surprised, based on what I've seen in FB so far [2010/05/12 15:18] BrainCrave OHare: it's clearly important for people to have trust in you to help sell your art. that's another interesting aspect that is, of course, similar in business [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: trying to be snotty [2010/05/12 15:18] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: and lay people [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: are scared of galleries [2010/05/12 15:19] Mathilde Vhargon: I've only been in FB a few months and already have over a hundred SL friends there, many of whom are art lovers [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: becasue of snotty people [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: good one math! [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: :))) [2010/05/12 15:19] Mathilde Vhargon: Being friendly to people on your friends list makes sense [2010/05/12 15:19] BrainCrave OHare: mathilde, sounds like we all need to friend you in facebook :) [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: I think so [2010/05/12 15:19] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:19] Mathilde Vhargon: hahahah [2010/05/12 15:20] Mathilde Vhargon: Well, you know you get a list each week of your friends' birthdays, etc. [2010/05/12 15:20] Clarisse Bernheim: lol [2010/05/12 15:20] Mathilde Vhargon: and people will invite you to their clubs, groups, etc. [2010/05/12 15:20] AmandaT Tamatzui: I wonder if there are more concenrs [2010/05/12 15:20] AmandaT Tamatzui: we still have not addressed yet? [2010/05/12 15:20] Mathilde Vhargon: so it is very easy to network there [2010/05/12 15:20] Mathilde Vhargon: and just be genuinely interested in connecting and letting people know you like them. [2010/05/12 15:21] BrainCrave OHare: i use http://www.linkedin.com/ for busines - i wonder if they have an artist community? i imagine they do - i join all sorts of business groups in linkedin.com, but i'd suggest artists checking it out as well and searching for art groups to join in it [2010/05/12 15:21] AmandaT Tamatzui: I will have to re read this to get what everyone has been saying [2010/05/12 15:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: I tend to type looking down form the screen and would have missed lots [2010/05/12 15:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes I am aprt of linked in too [2010/05/12 15:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: but that needs payment [2010/05/12 15:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: So ryze and xing free [2010/05/12 15:22] Mathilde Vhargon: Yes, I look forward to getting the chat log of this meeting [2010/05/12 15:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: and easier to connect [2010/05/12 15:22] AmandaT Tamatzui: but then you may get better people at Linked? [2010/05/12 15:22] Carter Cobalt: Thats it for me,for now. [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: Carter [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: we can talk later [2010/05/12 15:23] Carter Cobalt: its a lot to absorb [2010/05/12 15:23] BrainCrave OHare: i will post the chat log as soon as we're done here - it will take me about 20 minutes or so. just check the article at http://www.braincrave.com/viewblog.php?id=34 and you'll see the link [2010/05/12 15:23] Clarisse Bernheim: oh great idea Brain [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: I hope [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: I want to knwo your ideas and hopes [2010/05/12 15:23] BrainCrave OHare: bye carter [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: Thansk Brain [2010/05/12 15:23] Carter Cobalt: yes bye [2010/05/12 15:23] Mathilde Vhargon: Thanks [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: ciao [2010/05/12 15:23] Carter Cobalt: thank you Brain [2010/05/12 15:23] Carter Cobalt: thanks to all [2010/05/12 15:23] Mathilde Vhargon: Really nice to meet you all [2010/05/12 15:23] Mathilde Vhargon: Goodbye [2010/05/12 15:23] AmandaT Tamatzui: see you... [2010/05/12 15:23] BrainCrave OHare: bye math [2010/05/12 15:24] Carter Cobalt: you also, bye [2010/05/12 15:24] BrainCrave OHare: so, to give amanda a short break until tonight, why don't we end it for now here and continue again at 7 PM SLT? [2010/05/12 15:24] BrainCrave OHare: amanda, thanx so much for offering all the wonderful advice [2010/05/12 15:24] AmandaT Tamatzui: thanks.. sorry I am quite sick iN Rl [2010/05/12 15:24] AmandaT Tamatzui: so may be a bit slow [2010/05/12 15:24] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:24] BrainCrave OHare: this has been so amazing - i hope everyone else will reach out to you personally to thank you [2010/05/12 15:24] Mathilde Vhargon: I will be asleep then, but look forward to seeing that chatlog posted. : ) [2010/05/12 15:24] AmandaT Tamatzui: it was a pleasure [2010/05/12 15:24] BrainCrave OHare: so sorry to hear amanda - hope you get well soon [2010/05/12 15:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: tahnsk Brain [2010/05/12 15:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: sleep well Math [2010/05/12 15:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:25] Mathilde Vhargon: Yes, do take care of yourself, Amanda, and thanks so muchy [2010/05/12 15:25] Mathilde Vhargon: : ) [2010/05/12 15:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: youa re welcome [2010/05/12 15:25] Clarisse Bernheim: thanks [2010/05/12 15:25] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:25] Mathilde Vhargon: I've taken an LM here so I can return [2010/05/12 15:26] BrainCrave OHare: again, please don't forget to check out amanda's amazing art here at the gallary [2010/05/12 15:28] Clarisse Bernheim: For me pricing the art is one of the most difficutl things, why doing that per hours wouldn’t worth? What would be the best form then, when you are starting? [2010/05/12 15:28] AmandaT Tamatzui: for example... [2010/05/12 15:28] AmandaT Tamatzui: say you used up 40 hours doing your paitning... [2010/05/12 15:28] AmandaT Tamatzui: if you charged even a low rate of $ 10 per hour.... [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: that will make it worth how much? [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: 400? [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: usually our art takes more. [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: sorry [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: I meant to say 400 hours [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: so 4000 [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: for an emerging artst [2010/05/12 15:29] Clarisse Bernheim: mmmm [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: we cna;t charge that [2010/05/12 15:29] Clarisse Bernheim: but it would depend on eachpiece, no? [2010/05/12 15:29] AmandaT Tamatzui: even though we think it is worth that [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: so.. if w find otu simialr art gets sold at $ 1200 [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: that will have to be the price we well it at [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: and later [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: 2 -3 years time'it gets higher and higher [2010/05/12 15:30] Clarisse Bernheim: I usually send protratis for 200 e aprox, or some painting for 1000 if it's big. but how can I have an standart to start to value my work? [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: sometiems even within a fe wmonths [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: depeodngn on what happens [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: I wont pay for osmeone to value art yet [2010/05/12 15:30] AmandaT Tamatzui: unless you can truly afford to [2010/05/12 15:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: are we talking USD? [2010/05/12 15:31] Clarisse Bernheim: so, you mean that with more time happens, more expensive will be the painting??? [2010/05/12 15:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes [2010/05/12 15:31] Clarisse Bernheim: ohh [2010/05/12 15:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: and Ileanrnt not to udnercyt galleries where I am exhibiting [2010/05/12 15:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: I tried to sell on a site like ebay once [2010/05/12 15:31] AmandaT Tamatzui: and my gallery perosn saw it and told me [2010/05/12 15:32] Clarisse Bernheim: I understand..... but this is in the case that a person is know, has a name, no? [2010/05/12 15:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: since the peice of art I was sellign was simialr to what was in her gallery [2010/05/12 15:32] Clarisse Bernheim: worked? [2010/05/12 15:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: she said i cna;t sell it as I am of different caliber now [2010/05/12 15:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:32] Clarisse Bernheim: mmm [2010/05/12 15:32] AmandaT Tamatzui: so I stopped sellign simialr art on ebay like places [2010/05/12 15:32] Clarisse Bernheim: what do you mean with USD? [2010/05/12 15:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: American dollars [2010/05/12 15:33] BrainCrave OHare: USD = US Dollars [2010/05/12 15:33] Clarisse Bernheim: ahh ok. no, I sell in Euros [2010/05/12 15:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: wow [2010/05/12 15:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: not bad for an emerging artist! [2010/05/12 15:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:33] Clarisse Bernheim: is too much? [2010/05/12 15:33] AmandaT Tamatzui: so 1000 euros? [2010/05/12 15:34] Clarisse Bernheim: i really have no got idea about standars of prices [2010/05/12 15:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: I know of soem emerging artsits selling prices of a few hundred dolalrs... [2010/05/12 15:34] Clarisse Bernheim: but this would be a painting of 100 x 81 cm, elebored [2010/05/12 15:34] Clarisse Bernheim: not a protrait [2010/05/12 15:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: even if later their work look to be wortth much ore [2010/05/12 15:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: Yes... [2010/05/12 15:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: I woudl say the rpice is worth is [2010/05/12 15:34] AmandaT Tamatzui: but the buyer's viewoint? [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: hard to judge... [2010/05/12 15:35] DigitalJack Blackhawk: general rule is something is worth what the buyer was willing to pay :) [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: Have you had people wanting to buy but they could not afford? [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: maybe you can sell it to that person (if you trust) [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: with a down payment of say 50% [2010/05/12 15:35] Clarisse Bernheim: yes Amanda [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: and they pay on installment [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: and the risk is [2010/05/12 15:35] Clarisse Bernheim: is really difficult to find people able to pay for the art [2010/05/12 15:35] AmandaT Tamatzui: even if they do nto pay you the rest fully [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: that 50% would have been okay [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: Yes [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: so you need to make a decision [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: stick witht he price [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: or sel it for lower [2010/05/12 15:36] Clarisse Bernheim: I have found people interested, but not able to pay for the work, and it's really difficult to find. [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: so it helps oyu promote yourself [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: I have given work away [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: for charities... [2010/05/12 15:36] AmandaT Tamatzui: the more you do the more your name gets out there [2010/05/12 15:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: one of my art were asked to be part of Project Hope [2010/05/12 15:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: which is a huge brand new place for families with people sufferign form cancer [2010/05/12 15:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: it was aired oN TV [2010/05/12 15:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: I missed it myself [2010/05/12 15:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: but all part of my resume [2010/05/12 15:37] AmandaT Tamatzui: YOu may need to do the same [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: and see if you can place a suitable art in a professional person's offfice [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: with foot traffic [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: or important people [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: going through [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: hotels [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: etc [2010/05/12 15:38] Carter Cobalt: hi there [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: BUt your art must be appropriate [2010/05/12 15:38] AmandaT Tamatzui: Hi carter [2010/05/12 15:38] Clarisse Bernheim: mmm understand [2010/05/12 15:38] Carter Cobalt: sorry to be so quiet back there [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: you don;t want gory bloody art in say a lawyer's office [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: it;s fine cobalt [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: carter sorry [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:39] Carter Cobalt: im just new ,and feeling my way in the dark [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: just love the coloour cobalt, I guess [2010/05/12 15:39] Clarisse Bernheim: I udnerstand that at the beginning your prices must be lower to be able to be known easier, no? is that what you mean? [2010/05/12 15:39] Carter Cobalt: but i see light [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: 'rememebr to send me pics of your art if you have them [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:39] Clarisse Bernheim: ohhh [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes clarisse [2010/05/12 15:39] AmandaT Tamatzui: You see light? [2010/05/12 15:39] Clarisse Bernheim: this is a great idea about the office [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: Yes because at least you will know people [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: who own offices [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: offer to replace art for them free [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: MY art is currently at bacilounge.com [2010/05/12 15:40] Carter Cobalt: I see therr is a fine place for me in SL art ,somewhere [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: a bookstore cafe that raise funds fo literacy prgram., [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: met the man thorugh networking [2010/05/12 15:40] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes cobalt [2010/05/12 15:40] Clarisse Bernheim: si, I tried to go to hostels too [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: there would be [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: and get int ouch with MOna [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: she is in your country [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: Canada [2010/05/12 15:41] Clarisse Bernheim: bacilounge.com is a place to sell the art? [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: yes [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: they are sellign my art now [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:41] Clarisse Bernheim: woooow [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: and I have been asked to illustrate for one of his books [2010/05/12 15:41] AmandaT Tamatzui: the owner [2010/05/12 15:41] Carter Cobalt: yes I wii thanks [2010/05/12 15:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: 'is a novelisht and a doctor and was nominated New zealander of the year [2010/05/12 15:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: I Love people... [2010/05/12 15:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: and want to use my talents to help. [2010/05/12 15:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: I think us artists can do much [2010/05/12 15:42] AmandaT Tamatzui: instead [2010/05/12 15:42] Clarisse Bernheim: sounds so good [2010/05/12 15:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: when we are established we can help bring awareness to social issues and raise funds to help others [2010/05/12 15:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: that is why I am knwon as Creative Nut on a Mission [2010/05/12 15:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: otherwise i would b happy painting for myself [2010/05/12 15:43] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: Learn abt your potential customrsvisualize [2010/05/12 15:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: how they are like [2010/05/12 15:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: what they do [2010/05/12 15:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: when they wake [2010/05/12 15:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: yp [2010/05/12 15:44] AmandaT Tamatzui: what they wouold like to see on their walls\etc [2010/05/12 15:45] Clarisse Bernheim: mmm yes I understand [2010/05/12 15:46] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:46] Clarisse Bernheim: indeed if would be a great functionallity of he art [2010/05/12 15:46] AmandaT Tamatzui: you there/ [2010/05/12 15:47] AmandaT Tamatzui: Cobalt... [2010/05/12 15:47] Clarisse Bernheim: Indeed it would be a good function of the art, that acts like chain to another possibilitiesat the same time. so good.... [2010/05/12 15:48] Clarisse Bernheim: what do you mean with abt? [2010/05/12 15:48] Clarisse Bernheim: what does abt mean? [2010/05/12 15:48] Clarisse Bernheim: what do you mean with abt? [2010/05/12 15:49] AmandaT Tamatzui: abt is about [2010/05/12 15:49] Carter Cobalt: hey thats an abriviation [2010/05/12 15:50] Clarisse Bernheim: oh thanks [2010/05/12 15:50] Carter Cobalt: sorry,didnt want it to sound disrespectful [2010/05/12 15:50] Clarisse Bernheim: thank you very much for bringing your help and experience Amanda [2010/05/12 15:50] AmandaT Tamatzui: about [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: You are fine Carte [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: r [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: oh Thank you for having me [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: I only know a little bit [2010/05/12 15:51] Carter Cobalt: I dont know how helpful I was [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: but a little bit to someone who does not know that bit is good enough [2010/05/12 15:51] Carter Cobalt: but I did enjoy the company [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: I appreciate you being here [2010/05/12 15:51] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:51] Clarisse Bernheim: (eaten by lag) thanks you very much for bring us your help and experience Amanda [2010/05/12 15:52] AmandaT Tamatzui: and look forward to your art [2010/05/12 15:52] Carter Cobalt: very correct ! on soooooo many levels. [2010/05/12 15:52] DigitalJack Blackhawk: Having lived in NY one thing I have learned about the art community is there is an element of faux knowledge, Photographer Nat Tate is a perfect example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Tate [2010/05/12 15:52] Orchid Somerset: Amanda, I don't have anything to contribute, since I'm not an artist, but your work is beautiful [2010/05/12 15:52] DigitalJack Blackhawk: sorry I've been lurking today way too much multitasking [2010/05/12 15:52] Carter Cobalt: I need to do a lot of work to prepare [2010/05/12 15:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: Hi Orchid and Didital! [2010/05/12 15:53] DigitalJack Blackhawk: hiya [2010/05/12 15:53] AmandaT Tamatzui: lol [2010/05/12 15:54] DigitalJack Blackhawk: I need to go back and read the last several hours of chat LOL [2010/05/12 15:54] DigitalJack Blackhawk: caught bits n' pieces here only [2010/05/12 15:54] Clarisse Bernheim: mmm interesting jack [2010/05/12 15:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: HAHAHAHAHA [2010/05/12 15:54] Tak Kovacs: Yes...the hours of backlog DO get in the way of understanding [2010/05/12 15:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: hey Tak!!! [2010/05/12 15:54] Clarisse Bernheim: interesting jack [2010/05/12 15:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: Kisses [2010/05/12 15:54] Tak Kovacs: Amanda!!! [2010/05/12 15:54] Tak Kovacs: WHY ARE WE SHOUTING? [2010/05/12 15:54] AmandaT Tamatzui: HAHAHAHAHA [2010/05/12 15:54] Orchid Somerset: yes, jack, that's a great article [2010/05/12 15:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: fancy meeting you here :) [2010/05/12 15:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: Thansk for the article link jack [2010/05/12 15:55] Carter Cobalt: i havent read it yet [2010/05/12 15:55] AmandaT Tamatzui: I will read it later [2010/05/12 15:55] Tak Kovacs: I endure BrainCrave's topics on a fairly regular basis... [2010/05/12 15:55] DigitalJack Blackhawk: I have helped some artist friends in the past get some attention using the Nat Tate method, in this case I would play Nat Tate kinda [2010/05/12 15:55] BrainCrave OHare: :P at tak [2010/05/12 15:55] Tak Kovacs: ^^ [2010/05/12 15:56] Clarisse Bernheim: lol [2010/05/12 15:56] Carter Cobalt: Amanda ,Ill Im you when your not so busy,Ive so many questions the mind reels. [2010/05/12 15:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: ok [2010/05/12 15:56] AmandaT Tamatzui: :) [2010/05/12 15:56] DigitalJack Blackhawk: wouldn't work as well today with the web's pervasiveness into everything but I know a few that are using the "nat tate method" via social networking [2010/05/12 15:56] Carter Cobalt: thanks [2010/05/12 15:57] Orchid Somerset: Jack; I think it's less about "lying" about an artist's credibility- anything to get a name out and people to check an artist out works, in my opinion [2010/05/12 15:58] Orchid Somerset: no press is bad press? [2010/05/12 15:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: What is Nate Tate? [2010/05/12 15:58] AmandaT Tamatzui: :P [2010/05/12 15:58] DigitalJack Blackhawk: no no there was no lying about the artist